Michigan's topics - tribe.net

this program site works

2008-04-14T17:37:05Z

I am trying to let as many people out there know about a company that is truely amazing in the Health Care industry.
For as little as 19.95per month you can get Dental plus coverage for your entire household. The web address is

www.mybenifitsplus.com/r1

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LOOKING FOR HELP TO OPEN NEW CAMERA STORE IN MID-MICHIGAN.

2008-03-09T22:39:15Z

Hi!

I am a photographer who would LOVE to start a photography store in St. Johns, Michigan. I do not have a lot of money, but I have experience in photography and retail sales. I live in town and am not only willing but looking forward to putting in the long hours to make the store a success!

I am NOT looking for some kind of "get rich scheme", but rather an honest desire to open and run an honest camera store which will positively impact the local community.

I am looking for a fellow Christian to help in this plan. If you have the capital and desire to join me, please let me know.

Thanks!

Email: tohearns@yahoo.com

Chris

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Kiteboarding in Michigan

2007-09-04T16:14:12Z

tribes.tribe.net/windsurfingaddicts

Know of a sweet spot? Let me know.

Snow and Water and Land Surfing

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Halloween Event of the Year. What day is good for YOU?

2007-08-21T07:36:03Z

Holding a Halloween party/event at one of the biggest clubs that half of you has never been to in Detroit. Need to commit to either the Sunday or Tuesday before (10/28 or 10/30) and I want to know what day you all think is better. Reply here or contact me directly, but I need to decide soon.

Open invitation to follow. Live bands, DJs, fun and friends.

-AJM

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Any good stuff going on????

2007-08-12T14:21:21Z

I'm getting tired of the bad news in our wonderful state.

I just want hear some good things???

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Upper Peninsula?

2007-08-12T14:19:34Z

Hello,
I'm new and wondering if anyone else is from the Upper Peninsula.

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Open spot on Moderator job.........

2007-08-12T14:17:36Z

So who is going to take over the job???????

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Coffee-House Fans Unite!

2007-03-15T18:54:39Z

Hi all,

We've started a Yahoo Group for the purpose of gathering support and interest in an independent coffee house we plan to open in the northern suburbs of Metro-Detroit, Michigan. The group description is as follows:

"This group is for any and all individuals with the vision and desire to see a truly unique independent coffee house and rare/hard to find/used book-store open in eastern-central Oakland County."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boundandgrounds/

If you are interested, or even just curious, please check it out.

Key differences between our coffee-house and many corporate chains will include, but are not limited to:
- in-store roasting
- custom blended teas/ herbal infusions
- nonproprietary techniques; we plan to hold classes in home-roasting and tea blending
- the inclusion of a rare/used book store
- regular open-mike poetry, local bands/musicians, and game
tournaments
- design and wall space given to local artisans; we hope to allow gallery space for special viewings of photo, print/painting, jewelry, and small sculpture; artists may chose to sell their work through our location
- a desire to foster a feeling of community.

Our mission statement places high priority on making this a place where the customers feel like regulars, and the regulars feel that they have a say in the way we do business.

We look forward to seeing many of you there.

Yours in the bean,
Jaime and Adam Magy

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Summer??

2006-09-25T02:18:17Z

How is the summer going for everybody???

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Don't sign SOS petition!!

2006-06-21T07:56:03Z

Got this from a social worker. Please consider the research and pass this along. Thanks!!

Why poor people count
Keeping SOS/TABOR off the ballot!
With Michigan's economy recovering from a long tenure of down sloping employment rates and budget cuts, cutting social service programs should not even be an option.

Interest groups are now asking Michigan voters to sign a petition that would cut social service programs that many unemployed and low-income families have come to need to survive.

Stop Overspending (SOS) is a legislation that is said to stop government over spending, but in actuality cuts social service programs and gives more money to non-constituent based causes.

The Michigan League of Human Services reported that 'adoption of the Stop Overspending (SOS) Ballot Initiative would significantly worsen Michigan's ongoing fiscal crisis and narrow the options for its solution—forcing deep cuts in K-12 and higher education, public health and safety, and child and family support and protection programs.'

This same piece of legislation was passed in Colorado in 1992 under the name "Taxpayers Bill of Rights" (TABOR). The result of the legislation left devastating effects on their economy and social service programs. The same results, if passed in Michigan, will have presumably the same affects.

According to MLHS, under the TABOR legislation Colorado declined from 35th to 49th in the nation in K-12 spending, and under TABOR, inflation adjusted funding for instate college students declined by 31 percent.

Currently the condition of higher education enrollment is declining in Michigan due to rising costs of tuition. Michigan has 109 degree granting institutions in the state that serves over 550,000 students. With the trend of adjusting funding for instate college students, the numbers of students being taught may decline.

On the national front, the budget situation has caused states to consider such legislation like SOS and TABOR due to a lack of funding from the federal government.

According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) 85 percent of the 2005 budget enacted by the Congress and the President stems from tax cuts and increases in defense, international aid and homeland security. None of these moneys were geared towards domestic spending.

To stop government over spending the state does not need to pass legislation that will cut social service programs. The state needs to find reasonable and voter friendly solutions to a fiscal problem.

CBPP reported that in order to maintain the current trend of tax cuts and balance the federal budget 41% of social security benefits would be cut, 61% of defense spending, 53% of Medicare and only 29% of every other program excluding those above, would have to be cut.

One suggestion that might alter the need for such legislation like SOS and TABOR is to stop allowing tax cuts for people with high incomes levels. This would keep a stable amount of money in the federal budget, allowing for more allocation to social service programs that would keep human needs met across the board.

In 2005, $39 billion in "entitlement" programs were cut over the past five years. This includes Medicaid, children's programs, child support enforcement, foster care and student loans.

The Congressional Budget Office indicates that if the entitlement programs were cut it would cause low-income people to forgo much needed health care because of increased cost. It would result in $8 billion in child support going uncollected. And this would also raise charges for student loans.

With the hind sight given from the outcomes of budget cuts in 2005, and the similar circumstances arising in 2006, the president's proposed budget for 2007 still resembles a high income tax cut policy with domestic discretionary programs being cut deeper.

In order for people to "pick themselves up by their boot straps" and survive in our capitalistic economy, we need to offer social service programs to maintain a base of human needs in our society.

SOS/TABOR denies those human needs in reality, and on paper creates a facade of just cause. Do not sign the SOS petition in Michigan if you want Michigan's economy to become stable and successful for all people.

--
Crystallee R. Crain
Grad Student - Young People for fellow
People for the American Way
EMU Welfare Rights Office
Ypsilanti, MI
989-225-0118

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love sound tribe and particle...

2006-06-16T07:43:01Z

have seen sts9 many times, thanks to my beautiful daughter. even drove down to atl, georgia to see our boys...outstanding performance. finally met the band at st. andrews hall in detroit in may '06...got all access passes, and nothing like the whole groupie thing...they were so cool and down to earth peeps...just like u and me, but with such a special talent. i have so much respect and love. stumbled onto a band called particle lately that is also talented from start to finish, if u'r interested in some new good chit to listen to. saw them in detroit at the majestic, but make sure u put everything of value in your trunk, cuz everything in our car got stolen. particle let us hang out with them until we figured out what we needed to do, which shows the kind of peeps they are, too...unbelievable!!! apparently all good karma=good music. i'm from such a small town in michigan, i would love to here other personal stories...please share

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I have started a new tribe.

2006-04-28T20:07:26Z

I have started what I hope will be a fun and interesting tribe. I am looking for fun outdoorsy people to share some ideas and make some connections. Hope to see you there we are, HAGERCLAN.

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Yo Andrea, About the Hungry Heart

2006-04-20T13:56:53Z

Unfortunatly, the Hungry Heart Cafe has closed it's doors. I will definitly miss this place. It was nice to have a venue that had free shows. I'm not sure why it closed. The last time I had talked to Mark (the owner), it sounded as though business was good. I know I'm sad to see it go. Now the only place out that way where one can get a cup of coffee is Sweetwater's (the Bitter End, whatever the heck they are calling themselves this week). Not a bad place, but too fancy for this boy.

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Grand Rapids

2006-04-20T13:52:06Z

Yo, there should be a tribe for Grand Rapids peeps. I'd love to represent the city I live in. Not only does this town have a strong community, it also has potential to break through with events, parties, rallies, and conventions. Things happen in this town all the time.

Or is there a Grand Rapids tribe that I don't know about? If not, does anyone want to start one up with me?

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The Dynamic Great Lakes

2006-04-08T15:34:39Z

Hello. I'm new. I live near Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes--all of them--inspire me. I wrote a book entitled The Dynamic Great Lakes and it is about how the Great Lakes change through natural forces and the hand of man.

The book is available in many libraries, bookstores and on line. I have a website with lots of information and pictures of the Great Lakes.

www.geocities.com/barbaraspring

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hey

2006-04-05T02:30:54Z

hi, new to tribe.net. first tribe I joined.

Take it easy on me. :)

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hello from australia

2006-01-25T09:13:16Z

i just been to michigan for a 2 weeks i really enjoyed myself i spent sometime in detroit great place freidly people i stayed in a place called adrian where a friend of mine lives the public transport not great but i managed to find a taxi driver and did a deal with him and he picked me up spent the day with me took me right around i come back in july when a bit warmmer and see my friend again and spend some more time there

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northern lower michigan

2006-01-25T00:19:01Z

Hi! All I,m new at this. I,m looking for people in northern lower Michigan preferably country folk to chat with. preferably 30,s or older

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Looking for a roommate in SW Michigan

2006-01-05T23:41:09Z

Hi,

I am renting a room in my 3 bedroom house. It is located about 15 minutes outside of Kalamazoo between Plainwell and Richland, about 2 miles from Lake Doster on East Baseline and 1st street.. You would be 15-20 minutes from Western Michigan U's and Kalamazoo College's campus. We are 10 minutes from Plainwell and 45 minutes from Grand Rapids.

The house is in a private and mostly secluded spot on 6 acres. There is a pond and river going through the back yard. There are lots of trees. It is very peaceful.

Included in the house are 2 bathrooms. One has a bath, the other a shower. Washer, Dryer, Fireplace, and Dishwasher included. The house is about 45 years old. There is a two story garage/barn for some storage. Parking would be in the driveway. The house is furnished. There is a bed in the room being rented. Bring your own or it can stay.

Rent is month to month currently. We can make a longer lease if you like. $350 a month plus $350.00 deposit. If the deposit is too much up front, we can work something out. This includes the following utilities.. Gas, Electric, Trash, Culligan, Water/Sewer. Long distance phone will be extra.. I would be willing to get direct TV with a roommate. .

I am an open minded people. I am not looking for a neat freak, just someone who takes care of their things most of the time. I have 2 cats, so no pets please unless they are caged. I am a retail manager. I work a lot and am rarely home. I do love to have fun and enjoy life to the fullest, whether a quiet night at home or a doing something out.. The person we are looking for should be honest, trust worthy, reliable and dependable roommate. We don’t mind if you have friends over or wish to entertain either. If you are a smoker, it must be outside. No drugs. Alcohol is fine. Female roommate, 18-40 preferred. We both get along better with female roommates.

If you are interested and would like to know more, email me at MichaelBrainard@ameritech.net. I will be happy to answer all your questions.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Mike Brainard

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JHS Alumni

2005-12-31T21:31:56Z

Jackson High Alumni
Visit: http://tribes.tribe.net/jhs

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Winter fun

2005-12-21T23:33:40Z

For those of you who aren't apart of the Detroit tribe ( detroitlocal.tribe.net) and are interested in a gathering with local members having winter fun please read this...detroitlocal.tribe.net/thread...2e59b3c

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mod

2005-12-21T15:27:15Z

So who wants to take up the job??

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Expat of michigan...What I miss most

2005-11-05T22:59:38Z

Im in Northern California now but damn I miss...

My best friend Amanda
Pickled Bologna
Real fucking storms...thunder, lighting, hail.
Dollar Drafts
70 mph speed limit
Using my hand as a indicator of where I lived

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That Other Peninsula

2005-10-10T23:36:53Z

Hi to all my MI friends,

I live in that other peninsula. You know, the one above the Big Mac Bridge. You've heard your friends that own snowmobiles talking about it, remember?

I hope to hear from some of you who have made the Great Trek above the bridge to absorb some genuine Yooper culture.

4W

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=-(

2005-09-26T09:12:35Z

On Friday a friend of mine suddenly passed away at the age of 25. The report from the hospital is that he had a blood clot in his leg that moved to brain and popped. His funeral is Wednesday.

He left behind his wife, Cindy (28) and three children who are 4, 3, and 2 years old. They are in great need for help right now. Matthew, Cindy, and the kids were staying in Livonia with Matthew's brother because they got evicted from their home up north. Now the problem is that his brother is being evicted. Even though Cindy told me her family doesn't care, I called her mother and talked to her, her response was, "It's not my problem." Cindy and the kids won't have a home. Matthew and Cindy both were trying to save money to move when Matthew passed and now Cindy is what other can I say than "screwed".

If any of you can help, even if it's $1, it will be more appreciated than you can imagine. I have set up a paypal account for Cindy and the kids.

cindyand3kids@hotmail.com

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kmart and sears any body has a opion.

2005-09-24T04:12:06Z

Does any have a opion on the subject???

If the management plans it right, they could give walmart a challenge. Also Meijer, Target and other chains.

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New Here, Hello, from Kalamazoo GR area

2005-09-23T09:45:35Z

Hey..

I am new to this tribe. I am from the Kalamazoo/Grand Rapids area. I just thought I would say Hello to everyone.. So where is everyone from? Looking for people to chat with.

I'll catch you later.

Mike

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pears are delishious

2005-09-12T01:46:16Z

don't you think?

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Comcast or Comcrap?

2005-09-12T01:45:42Z

I love my cable modem, had it for years. They say I am supposed to get 6megs, I never get better than 3. On demand is near unwatchable because it breaks up so much.

Anybody else having trouble?

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Hello Everybody

2005-09-01T04:13:30Z

I'm new in here..From Flint Mi..Transferred here from S Illinois in Feb. would like to meet some cool peeps to chat with. Just haven't figured out how to use all the stuff in Tribe yet..lol

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Hi everybody... new here

2005-08-28T04:03:02Z

Hi every 1 I am new 2 tribe and I came across this 1. I no longer live in michigan but miss it very much all my family and my friends.
Where is every 1 from? I lived in the westbranch, hale, and alpena areas.

If anybody is reading this that knows who I am I hope u r doing well and I miss u..

Annemarie

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new tribe

2005-06-06T01:09:04Z

http://greatlakeskayaking.tribe.net/
come to my new tribe, join add me as a friend say hello....guy

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hello all new 2 tribes

2005-06-06T00:46:22Z

hello all i'm from wayne michigan and i'm new to tribes.looking to meet people who would like to go hiking camping kayaking or just get together for a camp fire.i also enjoy walking beach when i can on lk erie or paddle it with kayak.feel free to add me to friend list, drop me a note or join my kayaking group.......
i aslo want to learn taichi and meditation so if anyone knows how to do it and wants to teach it to me give me a shout..........have a great day....guy

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Jackson

2005-06-04T18:54:47Z

I grew up in Michigan, living in Westland, Plymouth, Berkley, and now Jackson.

My hobbies are knitting, gardening (just learning), writing short stories and mainly making friends.

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hey.....

2005-05-28T18:57:27Z

So how is the weather there? lol just kidding.. Can Anybody here tell me whats new and exciting in Michigan lately? Haven't been there since christmas visit.

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Ann Arbor TreeCycle

2005-05-09T19:20:50Z

This group is a replacement for Ann Arbor FreeCycle. I was the original founder of the freecycle list in Ann Arbor but I have some problems with the way Freecycle is run. It strikes me as being a franchise and not a grasroots movement like it claims to be. So if you freecycled before I hope we can get treecycle going.

groups.yahoo.com/group/AnnArborTreeCycle/

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Detroit: Roaring 20's Masquerade Ball

2005-04-04T14:59:37Z

Detroit: Roaring 20's Masquerade Ball
Produced by
Jackie Blue and CatharticMedia
www.JackieBlue.com www.CatharticMedia.com

Date: Saturday, April 9, 2005
Time: 7:00pm
Location: Severance Gallery, 2714 Riopelle St., Detroit, Michigan
Fee: $20 in advance
Tickets available at www.JackieBlue.com
Dress code (optional): Flappers, pinstripe suits

Event Highlights
>Live musical entertainment by Jackie Blue, DJ Litmus, 31 Seconds and other guests
>Fashion show highlighting Detroit area designers and models featuring clothes inspired by the Roaring 20 ’s
>Best costume contest
>Live auction
>Complimentary drinks & food

All in the Name of Fun for a Worthwhile Cause!
Celebrate the explosion of art that occurred during the 1920's while heralding in the new golden age of art in Detroit!

Although each individual component of the Roaring 20's Masquerade Ball would make for a fun evening out on the town, it's the grandness of this event that sets it apart from all others. The Roaring 20's Masquerade Ball is a Sound & Vision Musical that tells the tale of Nick Fudrich, a Detroit River dock worker during the prohibition era. As with the finest fashion collections, several common threads are used to tie together the individual components of this production: Music, fashion and staging inspired by the 1920's. Actors to give the event its grounding. And a bold narrator.

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If I..

2004-12-29T22:13:39Z

.. told you I had gold in my backyard, who'd help me dig it up?

*I HAVE GOLD IN MY BACKYARD!*

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Any body going to watch the mich - ohio st game?

2004-11-19T23:52:26Z

I might, depends if I decided to go out hunting. I'm not a fan of neither, The team I like is from another state. I rather not say because I get ragged on. Its a close University to me. I'm hoping Michigan wins. I don not like Ohio State.

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I mean Hi

2004-11-19T23:47:04Z

I pushed the enter button, my mistake.

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Wyandotte 11/11

2004-11-11T03:31:09Z

Praise and Worship leader Bill Richart will be at St. Elizabeth of Hungary parish in Wyandotte, 138 Goodell. Time: 7.30-??

I've known Bill for several years, he always has a powerful message of inspiration, hope and healing. His music is awesome, too. Come, bring a friend. Cd's and tapes available.

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i everybody.

2004-11-08T19:31:10Z

How the heck is everybody?

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Greens/Reformers/Libertarians

2004-11-01T23:43:58Z

You can vote Green/Reform/Libertarian AND send W back to his scruffy ranch in Texas: votepair.org

Nader plugged it Oct. 9: http://news.votepair.org/archives/2004/10/ralph_nader_poi.html

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Does anyone know

2004-09-03T13:57:53Z

of a hungry aggressive sales person experienced or not with Pharmaceutical Sales in the State of Michigan? I have a client who is looking to hire three new sales reps. If anyone you know or yourself is interested, contact;

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Free food

2004-08-25T15:33:44Z

Aug. 20, Friday, 6pm-9ish or 10ish. Oak street, Wyandotte. Fuenta's gallery, corner of Oak and ninth. Some of my artwork will be on exhibit. Free food and drink. Stop by, bring friends. Many more talented artists and artwork on site.

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Lake Orion High School Class of '79 Reunion

2004-08-20T13:45:25Z

go here: www.geocities.com/lohs1979/

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Birmingham Groves HS

2004-08-11T23:07:02Z

A new tribe for past, present and future Grovites.

http://wegroveshs.tribe.net/

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There's a new V:tM larp in Detroit..

2004-07-23T07:57:59Z

Set in present day Detroit, and taking it's roots from the Gotham/Labyrinth/Ghetto Palace larp, this game will introduce elements and concepts not seen in Cainite culture since the Renaissance. This game will also feature a new system designed for and catering specifically to this game. First night is slated for the end of August/beginning of September. Please visit our YahooGroup even if you are only marginally curious.

Heart of the City

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/heartofthecitylarp/

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Michigan Travel

2004-07-07T19:38:14Z

Been in Michigan (Detroit) for 2 years now. Have logged over 5000 road miles traversing Michigan's coastlines in search of lighthouses, the UP in search of waterfalls, and basically just the whole state in search of gardens.

I'm an amateur photographer, looking for travel buddies to help me navigate Michigan in more detail. I especially need help finding ways to get out on the water to photograph some lighthouses. I've photogrpahed all lighthouses on land (save for maybe 4 of them) and need help getting ot islands.

If anyone's got any helpful advice, or is willing in other ways to help out a fellow Michigan lover, please let me know.

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DETV Preview Episode now online!

2004-06-03T07:33:25Z

A preview of the upcoming Detroit Entertainment Television show is now online! Stay tuned for the premier episode!

www.detroitentertainment.tv

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New Tribe

2004-03-27T03:26:15Z

http://spam.tribe.net/

Put your ads in.

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People Unite!

2004-02-04T01:36:52Z

The group known as People Unite is looking for members. See me the group's moderator to apply for membership.

People Unite was created to discuss political and social issues and how it impacts the american people. It is a place for discussion and sharing ideas on various political and social issues.

-potato_spuds,moderator

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hello

2004-01-31T02:51:15Z

What's going on in Michigan besides the weather?

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Local Musicians-come listen

2004-01-27T14:33:38Z

In God's Image-listen to the music

Please review this new cd

Here are some links to music you can listen to while you're surfing. This cd is created by a few friends of mine, and they are wonderful!

www.cdbaby.com/cd/ingodsimage

Their homepage:

www.inhisimagemusic.net/

They are being played now in 2 cities in the US. If you like it, please pass it around for your friends to hear, and if you can, please purchase a cd or 2-they make great gifts!

I've known this couple for about 6 years; they are kind and generous, really live the message they preach. Please send them a message of encouragement too, if you have a minute.

Thank you.

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Petsitter/housesitter

2004-01-26T20:50:00Z

I housesit/petsit for you. Have been bonded, am honest and will even clean your house for you while you are away so you have a nice environment to walk into when you come back home.

I house and pet sit for a few people, and am interested in expanding my territory. I'm much cheaper than a kennel, I only charge 15.00 a day, you feed me. Phsycologically it is much better for your treasured pet to be in their own environment while you are away. Sometimes kennelling an animal could cause them to have phsycological problems and separation anxiety. At least in their own environment, they will not suffer so much when you are not with them. They will not have to be placed in a dreadful cage most of the time, as they will be in their own home and will have alot of human contact.

Will work in Wayne, Oakland and parts of Macomb and Washtenaw counties. Please contact me for arrangements, I would like to meet you and your pets.

thank you.

stanne312@zwallet.com
313-281-2666

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Need a bumper sticker

2004-01-20T03:48:14Z

Does anyone make bumper stickers?

Thanks.

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most fun in michigan

2003-12-15T14:42:25Z

What have been some of your best michigan adventures?

What is your favorite michigan restaurants?

Where are your favorite places to go that drinking is not involved where other people interact, and what do they do there?

posted in Michigan - 1 reply

Life

2003-10-14T23:11:26Z

Life is awesome!!! Share your best experience this summer....

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WHAT'S GOING ON??

2003-10-11T11:24:24Z

What fun thing have you done in the state of Michigan this summer???

posted in Michigan - 4 replies